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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 显示全部楼层
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 显示全部楼层
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :
& Y, c: z( s  n: B" x( ~TNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 显示全部楼层
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 显示全部楼层
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈
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版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 显示全部楼层
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits; l4 j3 x, R, N
If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication! N7 L- `, M! s1 z: ?: @* c/ [
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and3 E& d: U( d2 h8 g0 s4 q  e) c
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.
# i( J. @7 I2 [2 d7 Q5 }If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and
1 z  J' C6 f: [8 U5 a9 E/ kreceives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following0 j) J, P( q; s  u0 H+ G8 j
maximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required$ L% o% g# {, [2 u; c0 o
clearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:
6 z' Z) A" U5 e' B6 }5 `a. peak: 200 V
5 \% d' H' Q2 Ob. rms: 120 V3 ]2 r8 h$ n4 s5 O4 o3 e0 I. Q
c. d.c.: 60 V1 L9 t3 n" x: Y  ?! C* R8 C
176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 2008
% K! L* |- |  F& Q3 V+ zIf the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult
# g' E2 G" T( W& J. @' Awith IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for  Y( \8 r- j  [! X0 g% o* h9 _
equipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks." w" g. O  F1 n( X3 D' w, c
The peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the; Y  x( ?3 U. n. L9 _8 [
d.c. value is used for creepage distance.
' F& a0 q+ K9 ~* x/ P/ ]9 yRATIONALE:
" j# e; @- o5 W: }4 r4 q0 uAnnex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication
- q% F4 P- x+ V  g* \( W, U, \Signals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced
# C' I# X2 p) ^8 c* {6 zto earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered. w+ Z* M, ]0 @/ j" O; Y" u& x
the maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.
. N1 U% [9 v& b$ \0 ^, E0 R* rAlthough Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation: S! H5 V" y; X( M4 B$ a: ]
of a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate
8 P9 M# W+ M6 R- V% r" Yexternally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to  o% D, L: N7 X- A) G
this Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits: j6 o2 {5 v3 I9 a& H# d
shall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may+ ^' o7 b$ P5 F" I9 G. X; v
be used.
$ a/ q/ U3 a: K2 J根据class III equipment定义的条款0 Z& A. L  u9 ?: s0 N5 Q- @# r2 ?
1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon& E# R5 A  F* ?9 t- W
supply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated( J7 E! M" H+ [
NOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.
; P3 c; \6 K, L$ f. N" F) u4 M我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。
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发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 显示全部楼层
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :
2 v4 ]4 M2 y( y8 \6 _; l0 B; J参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits5 c1 M/ D5 _/ ^% ]1 K
If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication# y& O! c) s' e1 N4 ~
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and7 b! P# n& w2 e8 n* T% ~2 g* V
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.) I  \5 c  H- T$ A& V# ^
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and
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TNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?; s9 _) I; q, f; t, L
直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III
; V) R% o2 ?  M5 |4 K2 y! N标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 显示全部楼层
不用判断属于几类!
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 显示全部楼层
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 显示全部楼层
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